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League: Season: Division: Group: Player:

PlassNavnSpiltSeierUavgjTapScore for-motMarginPoengFra
1Starwf 7 5023255 - 289036510
2pink Martini 7 5022802 - 246933310
3Chocolate!? 7 5022690 - 253215810
4Count_B 7 4033047 - 3009388Thrace
5gretton 7 3041447 - 1885-4386
6kathyh1 7 2052539 - 2566-274Australia
7tydfil 7 2052466 - 2597-1314
8shygys 7 2052798 - 3096-2984
1Starwf+36510
Spilt: 7
Seier: 5
Uavgjort: 0
Tap: 2
Score: 3255 - 2890
2pink Martini+33310
Spilt: 7
Seier: 5
Uavgjort: 0
Tap: 2
Score: 2802 - 2469
3Chocolate!?+15810
Spilt: 7
Seier: 5
Uavgjort: 0
Tap: 2
Score: 2690 - 2532
4Count_B+388
Spilt: 7
Seier: 4
Uavgjort: 0
Tap: 3
Score: 3047 - 3009
Fra: Thrace
5gretton-4386
Spilt: 7
Seier: 3
Uavgjort: 0
Tap: 4
Score: 1447 - 1885
6kathyh1-274
Spilt: 7
Seier: 2
Uavgjort: 0
Tap: 5
Score: 2539 - 2566
Fra: Australia
7tydfil-1314
Spilt: 7
Seier: 2
Uavgjort: 0
Tap: 5
Score: 2466 - 2597
8shygys-2984
Spilt: 7
Seier: 2
Uavgjort: 0
Tap: 5
Score: 2798 - 3096

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WLoH Int JudgeHi tydfil, thanks for your comments. I agree standings should be dictated by results and not by the amount of games finished. A situation created such as in this group can be tricky to resolve and there is often no completely fair way to decide it so I welcome this chance to discuss. 

In my opinion it is not acceptable for a player to play a few games, the results of which happen to keep them in a division and then not finish all other fixtures. It shows lack of concern for the issues this will cause, especially when they make no comment. I personally feel gretton should of been relegated. 

I know WLoH Int Assists preferred solution to this group would of been to award everyone a 150-0 win against gretton and I agree that would of been the fairest way to deal with it. I plan to make that an option. In future when we are alerted to a similar situation I think if a player has not completed a certain % of their fixtures we may decide to void the results they have entered and apply 150-0 defeats against all. I suggest 70 % . This would result in relegation for the player who creates the issue whether they intentionally caused it or not. There may be times it can not be helped and they are not to blame but neither is anyone else so in my opinion they should be the one responsible for taking the consequences. Obviously we will take all factors into account first such as the amount of active players and total finished games in a group.

All opinions on this are welcome and gratefully received.

20/05 2016 12:03:21
tydfilHi judge I have no concern about my relegation; it is of no matter to me and I think it is fair. We agree re most things but on this occasion I have fought with my integrity and it keeps coming back to me....I have posted re this subject a few times. I don´t think that players should achieve promotion/avoid relegation based on the number of games they complete (unless glaringly unfair). Let the rules and lobot take their course. I made every effort to finish my game. That was acknowledged on this page and by email. I suspect that I would have been relegated in any event so that is fine. However, it is not a competition to see who can complete the most games. I note that Gretton did not comment - no big deal. Our game is ongoing - I am not rushing to play. I note that gretton has escaped unscathed - again no big deal. I know there can be a quandary around this sort of thing - @judge or anybody else any suggestions? 20/05 2016 05:38:39
WLoH Int JudgeThere has been an injustice in that kathyh1 should of been relegated instead of shygys. Shygys completed all their games and won 2. Kathyh1 won only one as did tydfil. I would not usually go back to last season at this point as it was the responsibility of shygys to highlight any unfairness sooner after season end however I feel I must take some responsibility for not making this clear. We have been going through some changes in procedure which is also a reason to show leniency and take action on behalf of shygys. Moving shygys at this late stage is likely to cause problems so although I can´t fully right the situation I have decided shygys will return to division 4 next season whatever happens in their current group.

19/05 2016 23:01:17
WLoH Int assistChecked - okay with auto results as discussed below. Will be reviewing Gretton´s situation later. Gretton anything to say? 14/05 2016 11:57:22
LoBotMy compliments to Starwf on the outstanding effort in Season 103, Div 4, Group 3! Before the season started, Starwf was considered an outsider, someone who could win, but maybe not someone you should put the big money on. Nevertheless, it was nice to watch Starwf succeed. 14/05 2016 10:07:06
WLoH Int JudgeThanks shygys.

Hi Chocolate, we don´t usually worry about changing the automatic results unless the promotion or relegation places are affected, then we may intervene if it´s brought to our attention. In this case I am aware gretton is at least the most responsible for games not finished. Sometimes things come up and players are unable to participate enough to finish games in time. That´s life and not a problem however opponents can not be penalised for that so auto results should be allowed to apply. However if there is any doubt as to the fairness of this we will review it and make a final decision.

14/05 2016 08:48:11
Chocolate!?My game against gretton is 381-389, to gretton, 0 tiles left, and it could go either way. My last move was 13 hours ago, and we wont be able to finish the game. I think a tie would be a fair decision, if the Judge needs to intervene. 14/05 2016 08:09:55
shygysIt´s the priviledge of the winner...:-)

Done.

14/05 2016 06:24:27
shygysShall I register the result? 14/05 2016 06:11:42
WLoH Int JudgeThanks for your honesty shygys, we may have to have a good look at this group after season end. 14/05 2016 05:26:15
shygysMy game with gretton finished 53 hours ago, he won but have not posted the result yet. I don´t know whether other player could finish their games against gretton; and if they could the results have just not been registered yet. Definitely, unfinish games will highly affect the relegation. 14/05 2016 05:17:02
tydfilTy for your response judge. 14/05 2016 05:10:36
WLoH Int JudgeThanks for the screenshots tydfil. Players will not be denied auto wins against gretton. 14/05 2016 04:56:31
tydfilHi again. I have no axe to grind; I think my fate is sealed. Whilst obviously not over the moon, I am content and accept ´tis life. @gretton I do understand that it is sometimes difficult to play; I am, however, disappointed that you did not respond to my reminder message other than with a few plays. A message would have been pleasant:) I have now waited another 12 hours - still with 42 tiles left. The deadline is now a matter of hours away. I was pushed into/accepted this situation last season. It ain´t happening again:) I will not be cajoled/pushed into playing in a rush. I am done. If anybody has an issue with that I am happy to respond. I have already sent some shots to the judge. I trust other players have/sent evidence they have of efforts they have made to get their games done? 14/05 2016 04:43:16
tydfilHi. Firstly I offer criticism of no player; I am well aware that all sorts of things can delay play.

My game with gretton currently stands at 210 - 145 to gretton. 42 tiles remain.

There was a significant delay in my invite being accepted. There have been delays in gretton playing. I sent an in game message explaining we would need to speed up to finish by the deadline. There was a short period of activity but the delays are still such that there is every chance that the game will not finish. I would be unhappy if I were excepted to play in a rush near the deadline.

I have in no way deliberately stalled and have screenshots of the delays, message etc.. I think there are other unfinished games which may also affect positions in this group and hopefully, other players have also collected evidence that they are not stalling.

13/05 2016 21:57:16
LoBotAt the moment, shygys and tydfil is in the relegation spots. But in the games that are not finished, I will set some automatic results at deadline, and that may cause shygys and gretton to go down. The rules state that you cannot get an advantage simply by not finishing your games, so the table judge may edit this group with respect to relegation. If you have intel on unfinished games (current score, reason for delay) that the judge ought to know, I recommend posting the information here before deadline. 13/05 2016 00:06:53
Count_BIf players opt out for example, more than one person can be promoted. Same goes for relegation. 8/05 2016 06:39:53
LoBotMan, that is a supercalifragilisticexpialidocious selection! TYDFIL is the player here who has won most groups, with a total of 17 victories. COUNT_B is the secondmost experienced player in the group, and has played continously since the debut in season 78. BELLA-BEE is the one who most recently won a group on a decent level, the player won division 4 back in season 100. CHOCOLATE!? is a gifted player who has been number 4 in division 3 in season 99. GRETTON is the tactically strongest player of the last 20 seasons, the opponents has merely scored the humble average of 316 points per game. SHYGYS is a intelligent player who has been number 1 in division 5 in season 102. KATHYH1 is the most frequent winner in the gang in the last 20 seasons, with a frequency of 2.71 victories per loss. STARWF is the player here who most recently went undefeated through an entire season, it happened in 8. division in season 97.

BELLA-BEE, TYDFIL and COUNT_B is among these few heartwarm samaritans who sacrifice some of their own money, earned through suffering and pain, to pay for the fun for all of us.

The winner gets promoted, the two last players will be relegated. If I were to guess, I would say that bella-bee wins this group.

30/04 2016 21:01:43
Chocolate!?I´ve been promoted to div 4 and I don´t understand why, as I finished second last season in div 5. I´m afraid that Lobot might have done a mistake. How can I be sure this was not the case? 30/04 2016 18:10:33

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Matches

Kamp Resultat
PINK MARTINI
pink Martini – gretton150 – 0
pink Martini – tydfil434 – 378
pink Martini – Starwf399 – 364
pink Martini – Count_B485 – 443
pink Martini – Chocolate!?464 – 476
pink Martini – kathyh1450 – 376
pink Martini – shygys420 – 432
GRETTON
gretton – pink Martini0 – 150
gretton – tydfil0 – 150
gretton – Starwf477 – 437
gretton – Count_B504 – 459
gretton – Chocolate!?0 – 150
gretton – kathyh10 – 150
gretton – shygys466 – 389
TYDFIL
tydfil – pink Martini378 – 434
tydfil – gretton150 – 0
tydfil – Starwf334 – 431
tydfil – Count_B382 – 433
tydfil – Chocolate!?398 – 450
tydfil – kathyh1425 – 417
tydfil – shygys399 – 432
STARWF
Starwf – pink Martini364 – 399
Starwf – gretton437 – 477
Starwf – tydfil431 – 334
Starwf – Count_B467 – 386
Starwf – Chocolate!?449 – 428
Starwf – kathyh1555 – 409
Starwf – shygys552 – 457
COUNT_B
Count_B – pink Martini443 – 485
Count_B – gretton459 – 504
Count_B – tydfil433 – 382
Count_B – Starwf386 – 467
Count_B – Chocolate!?455 – 380
Count_B – kathyh1395 – 390
Count_B – shygys476 – 401
CHOCOLATE!?
Chocolate!? – pink Martini476 – 464
Chocolate!? – gretton150 – 0
Chocolate!? – tydfil450 – 398
Chocolate!? – Starwf428 – 449
Chocolate!? – Count_B380 – 455
Chocolate!? – kathyh1414 – 406
Chocolate!? – shygys392 – 360
KATHYH1
kathyh1 – pink Martini376 – 450
kathyh1 – gretton150 – 0
kathyh1 – tydfil417 – 425
kathyh1 – Starwf409 – 555
kathyh1 – Count_B390 – 395
kathyh1 – Chocolate!?406 – 414
kathyh1 – shygys391 – 327
SHYGYS
shygys – pink Martini432 – 420
shygys – gretton389 – 466
shygys – tydfil432 – 399
shygys – Starwf457 – 552
shygys – Count_B401 – 476
shygys – Chocolate!?360 – 392
shygys – kathyh1327 – 391
PINK MARTINI
pink Martini150
gretton0
pink Martini434
tydfil378
pink Martini399
Starwf364
pink Martini485
Count_B443
pink Martini464
Chocolate!?476
pink Martini450
kathyh1376
pink Martini420
shygys432
GRETTON
gretton0
pink Martini150
gretton0
tydfil150
gretton477
Starwf437
gretton504
Count_B459
gretton0
Chocolate!?150
gretton0
kathyh1150
gretton466
shygys389
TYDFIL
tydfil378
pink Martini434
tydfil150
gretton0
tydfil334
Starwf431
tydfil382
Count_B433
tydfil398
Chocolate!?450
tydfil425
kathyh1417
tydfil399
shygys432
STARWF
Starwf364
pink Martini399
Starwf437
gretton477
Starwf431
tydfil334
Starwf467
Count_B386
Starwf449
Chocolate!?428
Starwf555
kathyh1409
Starwf552
shygys457
COUNT_B
Count_B443
pink Martini485
Count_B459
gretton504
Count_B433
tydfil382
Count_B386
Starwf467
Count_B455
Chocolate!?380
Count_B395
kathyh1390
Count_B476
shygys401
CHOCOLATE!?
Chocolate!?476
pink Martini464
Chocolate!?150
gretton0
Chocolate!?450
tydfil398
Chocolate!?428
Starwf449
Chocolate!?380
Count_B455
Chocolate!?414
kathyh1406
Chocolate!?392
shygys360
KATHYH1
kathyh1376
pink Martini450
kathyh1150
gretton0
kathyh1417
tydfil425
kathyh1409
Starwf555
kathyh1390
Count_B395
kathyh1406
Chocolate!?414
kathyh1391
shygys327
SHYGYS
shygys432
pink Martini420
shygys389
gretton466
shygys432
tydfil399
shygys457
Starwf552
shygys401
Count_B476
shygys360
Chocolate!?392
shygys327
kathyh1391