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League: Season: Division: Group: Player:

Plass	Navn	Spilt	Seier	Uavgj	Tap	Score for-mot	Margin	Poeng	Fra
1	Harboladey	6	5	0	1	1948 - 1380	568	10
2	cedarvale	6	5	0	1	1916 - 1523	393	10	Australia
3	Graham2020	6	4	0	2	1808 - 1493	315	8
4	jimbo 19	6	3	1	2	1452 - 1189	263	7
5	waldo79	6	2	1	3	1350 - 1299	51	5
6	Ka.w	6	0	1	5	0 - 790	-790	1
7	duduCOM	6	0	1	5	0 - 800	-800	1

1Harboladey+56810

Spilt: 6

Seier: 5

Uavgjort: 0

Tap: 1

Score: 1948 - 1380

2cedarvale+39310

Spilt: 6

Seier: 5

Uavgjort: 0

Tap: 1

Score: 1916 - 1523

Fra: Australia

3Graham2020+3158

Spilt: 6

Seier: 4

Uavgjort: 0

Tap: 2

Score: 1808 - 1493

4jimbo 19+2637

Spilt: 6

Seier: 3

Uavgjort: 1

Tap: 2

Score: 1452 - 1189

5waldo79+515

Spilt: 6

Seier: 2

Uavgjort: 1

Tap: 3

Score: 1350 - 1299

6Ka.w-7901

Spilt: 6

Seier: 0

Uavgjort: 1

Tap: 5

Score: 0 - 790

7duduCOM-8001

Spilt: 6

Seier: 0

Uavgjort: 1

Tap: 5

Score: 0 - 800

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Navn	Melding	Tid
LoBot	Roumors have it Harboladey has won Season 214, Div 8, Group 110! Congratulations to Harboladey, now let us see how you will manage on a level where it is possible to be relegated.	15/08 2020 09:32:18
Graham2020	Could you not divide It and create a new division?	15/08 2020 02:46:31
WLoH Int Assist	Sometimes that happens. Div 7 is pretty overflowing at the moment though.	14/08 2020 20:13:32
Graham2020	No problem. Perhaps you could solve the problem on a personal level by promoting all players on 6 points?	14/08 2020 20:05:58
WLoH Int Assist	Cheers Graham, good first cut. You need to refine your estimates a bit. Firstly the check you did when working through 128 groups isn’t the same as the check you’re proposing. I think you looked at games played and not for comments from each player? Secondly you’re right to note that you don’t know how the software works. Correctly deactivating players takes a few less than straightforward steps. I’d allow a minute for each user. Thirdly you spotted earlier that 40 % of the groups had more than one non-participant and I think your estimate of time misses that right? My take is that the more active admins have thought your suggestion through at that level and recognise that there’s quite a bit of time involved with it in practice and some fishhooks. I reckon they’ve weighed up that it’s more work for not much in the way of better outcomes. I may be wrong and your posts could generate a good change. Either way thanks for putting some thought into it.	14/08 2020 19:27:42
Graham2020	Hi, I don´t think it´s a ´problem´ at all, it´s immensely doable in fact. It took me about an hour to check the 128 games and identify the 54 affected and take details. I don´t know how yoursoftware works, but I can´t imagine it taking any longer to check initial compliance. An extra half hour for weeding out and barring any that are non compliant. The checkat the 11 day point I would imagine to be easier and would involve only elimination where necessary. Players need to be asked to simply post a smilie when ready to play within the initial 3 days.as for the check on finishers 3 days before the end of the period, my guess would be half an hour. Add half an hour for anything unexpected and the whole process could be completed in 2 hours. What´s there not to like about that? The nice thing about this , as with any change of organisational culture and procedures is that it gets easier as time moves forward and more participants know what to expect.?The status quo isn´t really an option. It cheeses off otherwise well motivated participants and leaves each group carrying dead wood for the entire competition period.	14/08 2020 08:00:33
WLoH Int Assist	Thanks Graham2020. Big problem isn’t it! We can’t just change the league computer (lobot) programming or rules - not something we are here or able to do. So your suggestion would need to be implemented manually. Hence why I asked you to do the math as well; how much volunteer admin time will be saved? With your refined suggestion you’ll also need to consider the impact of asking players not to commence games till they’ve each commented - what unintended consequences could there be? The math is the key thing though Graham; it’s great to get a suggestion, but will it actually help if admin have to visit every group, check for comments and remove people (all manually). The math may convince me otherwise - how much less work would it be than at present?	14/08 2020 06:37:22
Graham2020	* The two question marks in the penultimate paragraph are unintentional	14/08 2020 05:36:19
Graham2020	My further research suggests, not surprisingly that the problem of non participation is confined largely to Division8 which hosts newcomers. How can we improve the game experience for newcomers and reduce frustration for regular players at that level? My suggestion is that the rule changes outlined below are adopted and ´sold´ as followers as follows: Induction Level Games (Level8): To improve the experience of all participating at this level, the following changes have been made to the rules: All participants are asked to say hello on the comments board within 3 days of commencement and indicate readiness to play. Opponents can, thereafter be chosen for the first matches. After that, all that is required is that all participants must complete at least one game by the 11th day of the competition. That isn´t too arduous for beginners and gives a more relaxed introduction to the game whilst he more experienced can stretch themselves more. It´s as easy as that! You can enjoy yourself at the pace you chose. ?? NB please note that failure to play within these simple guidelines will resut in your removal by the Moderator, although you remain welcome to participate in future rounds.	14/08 2020 05:32:02
Graham2020	NB. The total number of individuals registered to play but not participating at all in this roundis 95.	14/08 2020 01:50:21
Graham2020	Here are the results for division8 groups: 54 of which wereaffectred by total non participation by many members, even at this stage in the cycle. Group 81 has 9 members who have played no games at all! There are 4 groups where 4 participants have not contributed, 7 groups where 3 have not participated and 10 groups where 2 have not participated. The remaining 33 games had 1 non participant. This initial research only serves to reinforce my views expressed earlier.	14/08 2020 01:39:44
WLoH Int Assist	Excellent. Yep, take a look around and have a bit more of a think. Your analogy is good - the problem may or may not be widespread, and so there is a reliance on it being reported ... otherwise somebody does have to look at each group (hint: this is why I’m encouraging you to look around and then refine your suggestion).	13/08 2020 22:52:12
Graham2020	Hi, I will have a look around in so far as I´m able, as I am not familiar with the navigation. However I would view my suggestion as a ´preventative´ rather than a ´cure´. Also the problem doesn´t need to be widespread to deserve attention. Let me take the analogy of troops on a long expedition. Two out of the ten report severe athletes foot. Does the commanding officer refuse treatment until all, or the majority the groups members are affected? No, because to do so would impede the performance of the group as a whole.	13/08 2020 22:19:07
WLoH Int Assist	Hi Graham2020, I’m not so sure, but let’s find out if you’re right on the manual work being less that way (automating it is of course outside of volunteer/admin and player control, and all down to the site owner). Please can you go through all of the groups in International and US to see how many of those groups the admin team currently have to intervene with. Then do the math on whether your suggestion would be more or less work than is currently required. You’ll want to factor in a couple of things: not all players understand posts, so allow time for some questions and discussion still. Also lobot adds players throughout week 1 so factor those cases out of your time saving somehow (we’re likely to still have the work to do there). Let us know what you find. Thanks.	13/08 2020 19:36:19
Graham2020	Simple solution.....All players must indicate on here that they are available for play within 3 days of commencement of play. Failure to do so leads to removal by the Moderator. Three days before the end of the period any player who has not participated in at least one game to conclusion is removed. Simple and uses only WLoH resources and information. This arrangement would cause the Moderator less work than recent events here have done and keep things relatively straightforward.	13/08 2020 19:27:23
US Umpire	GRAHAM2020 my point is the time it take to implement such a rule is totally unmanageable... As we are a sister site to Wordfeud we have no access to your games record so just how would we know which games have started and which have not...	13/08 2020 09:43:41
Graham2020	I am appreciative of our service and that of all others, please be assured of that. However simple rules could potentially help. For example it could asserted that all players must open a game wirhin the first week or be debarred. At the other end of he period, say three days before, a player who has not completed at least 1 game would receive the same treatment. There rules could motivate folk to use the opt out option if times are difficult for whatever reason.	13/08 2020 09:35:55
US Umpire	GRAHAM2020 while we agree with you whole heartedly that non participation impacts the enjoyment of the game you must realise that the admin team are all volunteers with families, jobs and lives outside of League of Honour. While we give our time freely and strive to stamp out the cheats and time wasters there is only so much we can do. It takes 4 people on average about 6 hours each on the last day of a season just to finish one season and start the next. Rest assured anyone completing zero games in a season will have their account deactivated and will not be included for the next season, but please keep in mind we are living in unprecedented times at the moment and there could meany reasons a player is not playing this season.	13/08 2020 04:38:48
Graham2020	Cedavales frustration is shared by mysel in relation to non participation. Debacles like this only serve to demoralise and frustrate the motivated players. There are some anomalies in how ineffective players are treated too. Kumasi and Gentleprince who performed very ineffectively were rightly removed......however duduCOM remains despite no results involving them being submitted. Nothing whatsoever and we have only 2 days to go. I have mailed them 2 or three times and got no reply. Is a tweak to the rules possible to prevent ´non-participation´ dominating he game?	12/08 2020 23:56:17
LoBot	Gentleprince was mentioned in the mail, but is taken out of the group. I am truly sorry for any inconvenience this may cause you fine people.	12/08 2020 00:17:42
Judge Wloh int	Gentle Prince it appears that you are unable or unwilling to participate fully in the tournament thus I have deactivated your username and removed you from the group	12/08 2020 00:17:28
Graham2020	Just for the record....Have mailed duduCOM for the third and last time requesting chat we play.	11/08 2020 23:43:44
Judge Wloh int	Graham2020 please read the Rules Page for advice on how to score a resigned game and amend the score entered for your game against Ka.w accordingly	11/08 2020 23:19:12
Graham2020	This is the second group that I have been in where play was inhibited by a non participatory ´members´. Would it be possible for the top 3 members of his group to be promoted to another level to allow us to have a more satisfying experience? This is getting tiresome.	11/08 2020 23:16:26
Graham2020	Ka.w resigned.	11/08 2020 21:18:41
LoBot	Kenneth Kumesi was mentioned in the mail, but is taken out of the group. I am truly sorry for any inconvenience this may cause you fine people.	11/08 2020 00:11:15
WLoH Moderator	Kenneth Kumesi - having resigned three games it is apparent that you will not or cannot fully participate in the tournament. I have deactivated your username and removed you from the group	11/08 2020 00:10:47
WLoH Moderator	cedarvale - please read the Rules Page for advice on how to score a resigned game and amend the score entered for your game against Gentleprince	11/08 2020 00:09:33
WLoH Moderator	Graham2020 - Lobot will allocate points for those games.	11/08 2020 00:05:34
Graham2020	This is the second group I have been in where some entrants have not played. Should all players who have participated fully lodge a 150-0 score for each person who has not played at all and where a participant has not responded to them yet played others? Seems fair. Moderator?	10/08 2020 21:32:11
US Umpire	Graham2020 your scores are perfect, the Moderator is referring to the 44-29 and the 117-5 scores recorded by another player in the group	10/08 2020 00:09:30
Graham2020	I have prompted all the players who have not played yet, plus Gentleprince, but have had no response.	9/08 2020 23:15:54
Graham2020	Kenneth Kumasi resigned our game. I posted the score as 150-0 . Is that not correct?	9/08 2020 22:58:45
WLoH Moderator	Group - please read the Rules Page for advice on how to score a resigned game and amend the score entered for accordingly. Also remember to post if your opponent has resigned	9/08 2020 16:24:08
cedarvale	Please folk if you do t want to play a tournament don’t sign up. It’s very frustrating	9/08 2020 12:59:16
LoBot	No. I cant believe this. It is a good horde of quality players! GENTLEPRINCE starts a glorious League of Honour career this season, good luck, and when you reach the top, please remember your old friends. JIMBO 19 is the Yoda of the pack, with 463 games here. WALDO79 is the one who most recently won a group on a decent level, the player won division 8 back in season 212. CEDARVALE is the player here who most recently went undefeated through an entire season, it happened in 8. division in season 210. DUDUCOM is a good player who has been number 4 in division 8 in season 213. KA.W is a wonderful player who has been number 10 in division 8 in season 213. KENNETH KUMESI is a skilful opponent who was number 7 on this level last season. GRAHAM2020 is a skilful opponent who was number 5 on this level last season. HARBOLADEY is a brilliant player who has been number 5 in division 8 in season 213. The winner gets promoted. With this many first-rate players it is hard to tell you who wins, but I guess cedarvale wins the season.	1/08 2020 10:03:06

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Matches

Kamp	Resultat
CEDARVALE
cedarvale – jimbo 19	431 – 407
cedarvale – waldo79	413 – 390
cedarvale – Graham2020	421 – 366
cedarvale – duduCOM	160 – 0
cedarvale – Harboladey	331 – 360
cedarvale – Ka.w	160 – 0

JIMBO 19
jimbo 19 – cedarvale	407 – 431
jimbo 19 – waldo79	0 – 0
jimbo 19 – Graham2020	297 – 414
jimbo 19 – duduCOM	160 – 0
jimbo 19 – Harboladey	428 – 344
jimbo 19 – Ka.w	160 – 0

WALDO79
waldo79 – cedarvale	390 – 413
waldo79 – jimbo 19	0 – 0
waldo79 – Graham2020	359 – 378
waldo79 – duduCOM	160 – 0
waldo79 – Harboladey	281 – 508
waldo79 – Ka.w	160 – 0

GRAHAM2020
Graham2020 – cedarvale	366 – 421
Graham2020 – jimbo 19	414 – 297
Graham2020 – waldo79	378 – 359
Graham2020 – duduCOM	160 – 0
Graham2020 – Harboladey	340 – 416
Graham2020 – Ka.w	150 – 0

DUDUCOM
duduCOM – cedarvale	0 – 160
duduCOM – jimbo 19	0 – 160
duduCOM – waldo79	0 – 160
duduCOM – Graham2020	0 – 160
duduCOM – Harboladey	0 – 160
duduCOM – Ka.w	0 – 0

HARBOLADEY
Harboladey – cedarvale	360 – 331
Harboladey – jimbo 19	344 – 428
Harboladey – waldo79	508 – 281
Harboladey – Graham2020	416 – 340
Harboladey – duduCOM	160 – 0
Harboladey – Ka.w	160 – 0

KA.W
Ka.w – cedarvale	0 – 160
Ka.w – jimbo 19	0 – 160
Ka.w – waldo79	0 – 160
Ka.w – Graham2020	0 – 150
Ka.w – duduCOM	0 – 0
Ka.w – Harboladey	0 – 160

CEDARVALE

cedarvale431

jimbo 19407

cedarvale413

waldo79390

cedarvale421

Graham2020366

cedarvale160

duduCOM0

cedarvale331

Harboladey360

cedarvale160

Ka.w0

JIMBO 19

jimbo 19407

cedarvale431

jimbo 190

waldo790

jimbo 19297

Graham2020414

jimbo 19160

duduCOM0

jimbo 19428

Harboladey344

jimbo 19160

Ka.w0

WALDO79

waldo79390

cedarvale413

waldo790

jimbo 190

waldo79359

Graham2020378

waldo79160

duduCOM0

waldo79281

Harboladey508

waldo79160

Ka.w0

GRAHAM2020

Graham2020366

cedarvale421

Graham2020414

jimbo 19297

Graham2020378

waldo79359

Graham2020160

duduCOM0

Graham2020340

Harboladey416

Graham2020150

Ka.w0

DUDUCOM

duduCOM0

cedarvale160

duduCOM0

jimbo 19160

duduCOM0

waldo79160

duduCOM0

Graham2020160

duduCOM0

Harboladey160

duduCOM0

Ka.w0

HARBOLADEY

Harboladey360

cedarvale331

Harboladey344

jimbo 19428

Harboladey508

waldo79281

Harboladey416

Graham2020340

Harboladey160

duduCOM0

Harboladey160

Ka.w0

KA.W

Ka.w0

cedarvale160

Ka.w0

jimbo 19160

Ka.w0

waldo79160

Ka.w0

Graham2020150

Ka.w0

duduCOM0

Ka.w0

Harboladey160